What s the Difference in Being Saved and Born Again Piper

03-13-2010, 02:15 PM

Different words are used for these two things however I see that people tend to recollect that they are the same thing - I would take idea that if they were the same affair merely one word would accept been used to describe it.

How I retrieve of information technology is that being saved is saved from wrath and judgment - we are called to believe and repent and be saved.

When it talks about being born again - information technology is specifically of the spirit and the inability of being able to sin (notwithstanding we know that while we are in the mankind we will sin) it is function of being human.

1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love 1 another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1Jn three:9 Whosoever is born of God doth non commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn three:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

03-xiii-2010, 02:forty PM

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Originally Posted past ForHimByHim View Post

1 must exist born over again of the water and of the Spirit in order to be saved. Of the water is all the spiritual benifits of water baptism in Jesus Christ name. Born of the Spirit is the Baptism in the Holy Spirit.

Maybe scripture to back up what you say - where is the scripture that says be born over again and yous will be saved? Scriptures seem to say believe and be saved - not be born again and be saved -----

and yes, I do know that being born again is past the Holy Spirit.

03-13-2010, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted past meerkat2 View Post

Different words are used for these 2 things however I come across that people tend to think that they are the same matter - I would have thought that if they were the aforementioned thing just one word would have been used to describe it.

How I think of information technology is that beingness saved is saved from wrath and judgment - nosotros are called to believe and apologize and be saved.

When it talks about being born again - it is specifically of the spirit and the inability of existence able to sin (however nosotros know that while we are in the mankind we will sin) it is part of being human.

1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned dear of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure center fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born over again, not of corruptible seed, simply of incorruptible, by the give-and-take of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1Jn iii:ix Whosoever is born of God doth non commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:ten In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is non of God, neither he that loveth not his blood brother.

Regeneration = being born over again = beingness saved. Unlike words to describe the same thing.

Regeneration is a theological term for 'being born again' which means you are saved or no longer nether eternal condemnation. Existence saved or born once more means the believer is now a role of the royal family unit of God.

John 3:7 ''Do not marvel that I said to you,

'You must be built-in once more'. (Jesus witnessing to the unsaved Nicodemus.)

Acts 16:31 'And they said, ''Believe in the Lord Jesus,

and you will be saved...'

Believers sin. A believer cannot sin while filled with the Spirit. But when he gives in to temptation he comes under the control of his sin nature and he sins. He remains in the status Quo of carnality until he names the sin to God as per 1 John 1:ix. That's why the laic is commanded to be filled with the Spirit. Eph. 5:eighteen.

The believer is either nether the control of the indwelling Holy Spirit or under the control of his sin nature. That is why the laic is commanded to not quench or grieve the Holy Spirit. ane Thessalonians 5:19; Ephesians 4:30.

03-13-2010, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted past meerkat2 View Post

Possibly scripture to support what you say - where is the scripture that says be born once more and you will be saved? Scriptures seem to say believe and be saved - not be born over again and be saved -----

and yes, I practice know that beingness built-in once more is by the Holy Spirit.

The word "saved" IMO carries a lot of meaning and is often not easy to define by using 1 outcome. Here are a few terms that collectively refer to our salvation, or being saved, simply each term being a singled-out chemical element of beingness saved:

Rom 8:29 For whom He foreknew, He as well predestined to become conformed to the paradigm of His Son, that He might be the beginning-born among many brethren;
Rom 8:xxx and whom He predestined, these He also called; and whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

All of these terms are intertwined with the discussion salvation, but we perceive those events happening at specific moments in fourth dimension. Some events happen from eternity past, other elements such as our justification occurred at the cantankerous, some parts of our salvation occur at regeneration (the new nascence) that we participate in past faith of the Spirit, some during our sanctification in the Lord, and still more at the final resurrection. Salvation (it's meaning) is circuitous when one considers all it's aspects that will, in the end, conform united states of america to the paradigm of Christ.

03-13-2010, 03:37 PM

Interestingly, the term "saved" is used of

believers

in three different ways, or tenses:

In the by tense:

2Ti ane:ix who has saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not co-ordinate to our works, but according to His ain

In the nowadays tense:

1Co 1:eighteen For the word of the cross is to those who are perishing foolishness, merely to us who are beingness saved it is the power of God.

And in the future tense:

Rom v:ten For if while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

03-xiii-2010, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike555 View Post

Regeneration = beingness built-in again = beingness saved. Unlike words to draw the same thing.

Regeneration is a theological term for 'being born again' which means you are saved or no longer under eternal condemnation. Existence saved or born again ways the laic is at present a office of the purple family of God.

John 3:7 ''Practice not marvel that I said to yous,

'You lot must be born again'. (Jesus witnessing to the unsaved Nicodemus.)

Acts 16:31 'And they said, ''Believe in the Lord Jesus,

and you will be saved...'

Believers sin. A believer cannot sin while filled with the Spirit. But when he gives in to temptation he comes nether the control of his sin nature and he sins. He remains in the status Quo of carnality until he names the sin to God as per 1 John i:9. That's why the laic is commanded to exist filled with the Spirit. Eph. 5:18.

The believer is either under the command of the indwelling Holy Spirit or nether the command of his sin nature. That is why the believer is commanded to not quench or grieve the Holy Spirit. i Thessalonians 5:19; Ephesians iv:30.

Then and so would you consider "eternal life" to mean regeneration?

03-13-2010, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AlabamaStorm View Post

The discussion "saved" IMO carries a lot of significant and is often not like shooting fish in a barrel to define by using one outcome. Here are a few terms that collectively refer to our salvation, or being saved, but each term being a distinct chemical element of being saved:

Rom 8:29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to go conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the first-born among many brethren;
Rom 8:30 and whom He predestined, these He also chosen; and whom He chosen, these He too justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

All of these terms are intertwined with the word salvation, simply we perceive those events happening at specific moments in time. Some events happen from eternity past, other elements such as our justification occurred at the cross, some parts of our salvation occur at regeneration (the new birth) that we participate in by faith of the Spirit, some during our sanctification in the Lord, and still more at the last resurrection. Salvation (it'southward meaning) is complex when 1 considers all it's aspects that will, in the end, conform usa to the image of Christ.

Exercise you think that the rebirth is the process then and not just a one fourth dimension result? And tin the rebirth mean a rebirth of humanity or is information technology an individual matter?

I believe that none of these things can come about until i has a circumcised heart... which God alone can exercise...

I think some people have the cart before the horse and so believe that it is themselves that initiate the re-birthing process when the scripture is clear information technology is God who initiates the process. That is why it is interesting for some to totally cake out that if God wants to sculpt you anew (considering he is the potter and you are the clay) then he can practice so at anytime he chooses, whether afterward death or before, or perhaps it is as another poster said that DEATH itself is the re-sculpting (cutting away the bad and leaving the practiced), so that you can die to the flesh or you can die in the flesh.

Anyway, Proficient post 'bamastorm

03-13-2010, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by katjonjj View Post

Do you think that the rebirth is the process then and not but a in one case upshot? And tin the rebirth mean a rebirth of humanity or is information technology an individual thing?

I believe that none of these things can come about until one has a circumcised heart... which God lonely can exercise...

I think some people have the cart before the horse and and then believe that it is themselves that initiate the re-birthing process when the scripture is clear it is God who initiates the process. That is why it is interesting for some to totally block out that if God wants to sculpt you lot anew (because he is the potter and you are the clay) and so he tin practice and so at anytime he chooses, whether afterwards expiry or before, or perhaps it is as another poster said that DEATH itself is the re-sculpting (cutting away the bad and leaving the practiced), so that you can die to the flesh or you lot can die in the flesh.

Anyway, Proficient post 'bamastorm

I remember our hearts being circumcised, or our rebirth of the Spirit, is a one time event for each person, simply similar you say, it only comes near by God's volition and on His time schedule. When that event takes identify we're able to receive the things of God and experience the fruits of the Spirit in our daily lives. Those blessings and fruits of the Spirit sculpt u.s. into the image of Christ. I suppose collectively (an interesting indicate you bring upwardly) information technology may also mean a rebirth of humanity when God is all in all.

1Co 15:28 and when the all things may be subjected to him, then the Son also himself shall exist subject area to Him, who did subject to him the all things, that God may exist the all in all.

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